Having absolutely loved the book BOLD by Steven Kotler, which he co-authored with Peter Diamandis, there was no question we had to get Steven on the podcast. As in our work we talk a lot about the importance of rest, of self-awareness, of managing your energy, the idea that workplaces and employers can also play their part in facilitating the state of Flow for employees has captured our imagination. 

In this fascinating conversation, Steven Kotler, author of The Rise of Superman, shares valuable insight on how to trigger the peak performance state called Flow. We also discuss his latest book, Stealing Fire: How Silicon Valley, the Navy SEALs, and Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work. Tune in to this science-packed interview as Kotler unveils the 4 forces of ecstasy behind the trillion dollar underground revolution, and the 20 known triggers that can lead you to a state of Flow.

Episode Highlights:

Could anybody become Elon Musk? Are there still differentiators that for some of us simply unattainiable?

It doesn’t matter if you want to be the best dry cleaner in Cleveland or Elon Musk, you’re going to have to work just as hard. What will be though different is the size of the vision.

What are the triggers to the flow state? 

There are 20 of them. Smart organisations start building their businesses around these triggers.

In this episode we talk about:

  • What was Steven's the motivation behind writing his latest book: Stealing Fire. What subject does the book examine and discuss?
  • What do we currently know about the Flow state? How to hack it? Can anybody access the Flow state?
  • What is the one thing the most successful companies figured out in their 100 year old history that drove them to constant success, innovation and growth?
  • How to change our mental frame around difficult activities? What is the Bannister Effect?
  • What are the 4 forces of ecstasy?
  • If Steven could give one advice to a CEO of a company for them to start thinking about creating and enabling environment to help employees get into the Flow state, of embrace the idea of altered state of consciousness and performance, what would be his advice. Where one company can start its exploration journey?

Steven Kotler is a New York Times bestselling author, award-winning journalist, and the cofounder and director of research for the Flow Genome Project. His books include Tomorrowland, Bold, The Rise of Superman, Abundance, A Small Furry Prayer, West of Jesus, and The Angle Quickest for Flight. His work has been translated into forty languages and his articles have appeared in more than eighty publications, including the New York Times Magazine, Atlantic Monthly, Wired, Forbes, and Time. You can find him online at www.stevenkotler.com.